Drawing in the Sand II

Haiku

we draw in the sand
for what do we really know?
a bunch of monkeys

the wall is crumbling
humpty dumpty soon must fall
and we clean the shell...

HAHAHHA i love it : )

who does humpty dumpty represent?

Humpty dumpty are the people who pollute our society both physically and morally. They corrupt our society, and the decent people have to live with their mess. Something like that.

but living on the same planet we all fall together haha
I think you should revise your poem to something like this:

the wall is crumbling
humpty dumpty soon must fall
nothing left of him...

: )

Yeah, good point. Humptey makes more sense being the entire population. Wall is Earth. How about this?

the wall is crumbling
humpty dumpty soon must fall
need a new chicken...

wait is humpty dumpty a chicken? hahahah

the wall isn't earth per se, but human civilization/society/culture what-be-it.

so we don't need a new chicken... but i think a new wall ?

Humpty is an egg. We need both a new wall and a chicken. The chicken lays a new egg, a society uncorrupted, and a new foundation of the society, the wall (earth).

hahaha but a new chicken will yield chicken nonetheless.
i don't think we can change that we are human beings. but we can change the environment we live in - the society we grow up in.

True true true...So we need a new wall

And what features should that wall have?

well i don't think it should be a wall at all.
but something that can change flexibly... haha did u read drawing in the sand I ?

i suggest a palm tree or something that bends in the wind haha

Oh yeah, like sand dunes. So, we would have to demolish the ideas of governments to do that though. Unless we have a constant fluctuation in governmental ideologies.

you're definitely getting somewhere haha
keep thinking about it

the idea of "humpty dumpty" is very interesting to think about. sorry alec, but i think that i have to agree with michael. humans have developed in such a way that it's hard to change our personalities. although there are some moments of change, our society and environment are the entities that are being influenced and change.

we should regard the wall as a palm tree. the palm tree represents durability along with flexibility.

society is developing. society is changing as a result. things have to change before it's too late.

haha you don't have to be sorry, we've all rid ourselves of our egos (https://designthefuture.forumotion.com/regarding-the-site-f5/about-this-site-t17.htm)

And as far as your argument is concerned, argument in the sense of logic (i.e. premise + conclusion):

humans have developed in such a way that it's hard to change our personalities.

I don't recall ever saying this before. It all depends on how you define "personalities", and how you define "change". What do you mean by "humans have developed in such a way"? What way are you talking about?

I don't understand the second part either. Could you clarify ?

yes, definitely.

i think i've reworded a statement that i might have heard, so please don't take it in any way of offense!

humans have developed in such a way.
this way is defined by our ego's, pride. some people have developed an attitude in which they think they're right. whether is christians, muslims, scientists. whether or not they ARE right, they have still developed this sense of "i know what's right"

whether we chose to or not, everything affects us. even the slightest things tip the scale of balance.
personalities are defined in our uniqueness. although we are "only but human," we still have that small percentage of difference. our personality gives us the incentive to further continue our conversations. others, to go smoke. others, to go watch movies. there's a lot of personalities in this world.

and change. this concept engulfs us. us, regarding everyone. look at the whole picture. there's starvation, global warming etc. some people may argue that's there's nothing we can do, but there is. change is the step to do so. change might save our asses.

Idk i think a lot of ur claims need evidence.
i don't understand a lot of the stuff you're trying to say either. my head hurts.
try to make your sentences & logic clearer please..

ahaha.

err.

my head hurts too :/

sorry for the confusion. maybe i didn't make myself clear enough.

Change WILL save our asses. But only if it's change for the better. The scary part is...if it's humans who created this "mess" we have, and humans are the ones who will change it, who's to say that this change will be for the better?

humans have done it.

we don't know what's gonna change.

whether it's good or bad, we can't anticipate, but we can sure "guide" the change into a beneficial direction

How do we know it's a beneficial direction? Up until now, we've failed so many times to see the consequences of our actions. The Iraq war, colonizing America, fighting, industrializing, everything. If we could guide our future in beneficial directions, we wouldn't be having all the issues we have today.

I think you guys are getting in the right direction.
History shows that humans have fucked up on every social experiment.
Why is this so? How can we break out of this pattern?

haha food for thought.

"HUMANS have fucked up.."

Become not human? lol...

very rarely is anything black and white. ..